Role Playing requires a Death Penalty

For me, a “role playing” game, despite being short hand for a genre of games, has always meant a game where you, the player, get involved, care for the character and can influence the outcome.  One of the largest aspects of role playing is the danger of losing.  In MMOs this is often referred to as the “death penalty”.

Gordon wrote about it a couple of weeks ago, and Darren a few days ago.  I’ve written about it too.  And if you search around the Internet on the gaming blogs you’ll probably find hundreds of posts.

In my experience the best role playing games have at least a modest death penalty.  More than just a few coins spent on repairs, or being set back a few seconds, but real almost tangible loss that you want to avoid.

My first real role playing game was, of course, Dungeons & Dragons.  Because the game is so unstructured, being just a set of rules which your gaming is built upon, I’ve found that lots of people have lots of different experiences.  If your Dungeon Master never actually reduced your player’s constitution when he got resurrected, then I don’t think you’ve ever really role played Dungeons & Dragons.  If you never had a character die (and I mean really die, as in you might as well tear up the character sheet because that guy is not coming back, ever), then I don’t think you’ve ever really role played Dungeons & Dragons.  If your character went from 1 to Demi-god without ever being in danger of being permanently hurt or sent to the circular file, then I don’t think you’ve ever really role played Dungeons & Dragons.  That’s just me, but if you played without penalties, I don’t know if I would consider what you were doing to be role playing.  You were just gaming.  You were rolling dice while the DM told you a story.

Playing EverQuest, you put together a group (or joined someone else’s) and you went somewhere to complete a goal or just grind out some experience.  If you died, you had to watch the exp bar retreat, possibly hours worth of advancement vanishing along with the pixels.  You could recover the majority of that loss with a resurrection from a cleric (or later, other classes), but a bit of it was gone.  Just gone.  So, because of that reality, if you invited a player into your group who wouldn’t stop drawing aggro or sucked as a healer or in any number of ways exposed your group to death and loss, you kicked them out.  And because of that reality, combined with that fact that most classes benefited greatly from being in groups, people tended not to be aggro drawing crappy healing death magnets for very long.

Many people will tell you that EQ didn’t have any role playing because people talked out of character or min/maxed numbers or whatever, but to me it will always be a role playing game because your character mattered.  Your reputation, your wins and losses, it all effected how you were able to play the game.  Within the confines of the defined computer controlled rules of gaming, you had to play a role in order to play the game.  I remember a number of weeks I spent in Karnor’s Castle in EQ and there was this bard shouting for a group, and most of us who’d been around wouldn’t group with him.  Every time he’d get into a group, he’d go AFK a lot.  Sure, he’d leave on mana song or something, but he wasn’t doing crowd control, and his songs often pulled aggro off the tank on the pull, and when running was needed he wasn’t there, would have to be left behind, then he’d complain about the group getting him killed.  So he spent most of his time looking for a group instead of being a group.  Sure, his actions would eventually earn him the same level of ignoring in newer games that he got in EQ, but given the design of EQ, the fear of death, the shared spawns and grinding exp, he was very quickly rooted out, not because of how he played but because of how his play affected the play of others.  Meanwhile, players who worked well with others and had a healthy respect for the loss of experience grouped well.  Lasting friendships and guilds spawned from avoiding the penalties together.

Of course, not all MMOs need to be RPGs, but I believe what I have discovered over the past couple of years and what I am realizing now is that in the genre of MMOs I prefer the MMORPG.  Many of the most recent MMOs don’t have much RPG in them (remember, I’m using RPG to actually mean role playing and not as shorthand for a genre of gaming features).  Too many of them are too soloable, with too little penalty, with inevitable victories no matter how much I suck.  Many of these MMOs are more like sports leagues for kids that don’t keep score, where everyone gets a trophy because everyone wins simply by showing up.

As always, I’m rambling, and I’m not even sure where I was going with this other than to empty onto the Internet another reason why I think I’m not being drawn into many MMOs anymore…


  1. Chas says:

    I agree with the sentiment, but perhaps the KIND of death penalty needs to be re-thought, because many of the “death penalties” served as impediments to roleplaying when they happened. By penalizing you, they often pulled you– and the group– out of the immersion of character to address very OOC inconveniences just to get back to where you could confortably roleplay a narrative that made sense.

    The problem isn’t that the penalty is too weak or too strong, it’s that the penalty- and many MORE of the “game mechanics” work in a way that… well, they make pretty piss-poor narrative, when you come down to it. When you’re yanked out of immersion time and again to address those mechanics, the strength of the roleplaying suffers. In a pen-and paper game, a good GM could ease over these moments. Today’s MMO’s can’t… and they’ve gone increasingly more game-like and putting less and less effort into hiding the fact as we go.

    You ask “why no death penalities?” I ask “why death?” Why something that’s so glaringly… inconceivably… well… TERMINAL as the only alternative to the losing end of a fight? Why mask it that way, when it- along with it’s effort to bring the person back- is so ridiculously damaging to the narrative?

    Ok, a teammate falls in battle. As long as someone in the team wins and holds the ground, the teammate can be ‘bandaged, treated, and awakened” from his injury. He can have broken gear, he can have a helm too damaged to be worn… and he can have debuffs, even… You can have all the penalties for failure to “game” correctly while retaining the immersive feeling in roleplaying.

    – As you fall, the approaches to finish you off, when a noise comes from the direction you’d come. Fearing reinforcements have arrived, they run off… see above.
    – You black out, only to be found by a friendly merchant traveler along the side of the road… much of your gear in ruin or gone. He shows you where you were found and may offer you some cheap equipment so you could pursue your bandits and retrieve your valuables.
    – You awaken, your hands tied together to a stake in the ground… equipment removed… other prisoners beside you. You’re able to free your hands…. perhaps you can sneak away and abandon everything as a loss…. perhaps you can stick around and find your gear… or free a few other captives and gain a helpful and grateful henchman- if you survive the attackers.

    All these things give you the ability to remain within the role you’re playing- strengthening the sense of character… heck, you can even vary the level of penalty (you’re left with less missing/damaged if you haven’t died in x hours of play, but get progressively more penalized the more recklessly you go on. The first time you escape the orcs, most of your loot is cached (corpse run) nearby, whereas if you keep sticking around and dying, you’re going to find things so difficult to retrieve you’ll have to practically abandon them.)

    That’s not a different degree of penalty- that’s dressing the penalty- and all the mechanics- in a way that maintains immersive roleplaying.

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